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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-02 15:05

2: What sort of test/brand of test are you using? (That'll enable us to tell you how accurate it is. I'm guessing it's liquid based - Seachem?
Please please PLEASE don't use strip-dips - they're HORRIBLY unreliable. Invest if you are.


*goes and invests in decent testing kit, what do you suggest? these unreliable strips cost me a tenner! lol

3: Is it ONLY frozen blocks you're feeding?
If so, switch to some variety, or you'll end up with deficient, probably consitpated fish. Peas are really good for them, cooked and popped out of the little shell things, as are banana, cooked carrot, cucumber, and a whole range of other things.


:o :o :o You can feed them veg??

I was feeding them only on frozen blocks, but then i switched to blocks every 3 / 4 days with flakes in between. :o

Maybe a nice list in a sticky of what people feed their fish is handy, unless there is one somewhere? *goes to look*

1: Check my last post about filter questions. Also, what make of filter is it/what STYLE filter is it?


Style of filter is an internal foam tube thing, not very big, probably stands about 6" top to toe, i'm guessing this is too small?? (please bare in mind i did not purchase the filter and was told it was "more than enough")

I'm considering a fluval plus No2 (400 l/h) which appears to be designed for my tank. - suggestions?


Do any of your neighbours have a fishtank?


Nope - bugger :angry:
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-02 15:25

Rightio - Test Strips - chuck em out the window - they make pretty kites, and are more useful that way.
I personally use a set by Canada Pharmaceuticals - it has the 5 tests I use, Nitrate, Nitrite, Ammonia, pH and High level pH - and I can get that for about ?20. Also, it'll last you many MANY times longer. It comes with all the vials.

Seachem apparantly make a good set, and you can buy individuals, but I reccommend a master set like mine - better bargain.



*rollseyes* You wouldn't beleive the amout of people that say that.
Yes, it's very good for them - even my Axolotl will have a go at a bit of green bean, and he's strictly carnivore.
I'll get on to that right now - I'll put it in Articles and message you the link when I'm done.



Eeeh as to the filter :S - is there a makers sign/number on it? I don't think it's enough!

I would suggest a different filter!
Again, this is down to personal preference.

I always use the Interpet Power Filter range, PF1 and 2. For your size tank you'd need PF2. (I have 2 PF2s.)
I like them because they're internal (no risk of leaks), come with venturi system (so you don't need any bubblers!), a cradle, anti-pour back valve, and are seriously easy to look after.

The PF2 can have: (inc above)
Carbon media(included in box) - removes nasty chemicals
Standard media(included in box) - removes big bits of dirt
Biomedia(included in box) - comes in a blue cage and attaches beneath impeller. When washing ONLY wash in old tank water.
Fine media(optional) - for fish that don't make so much mess.

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The media besides the bacterial media all sit in a neat little cage - it even says on it which side the carbon goes in. That makes it easy to remove and clean.
The anti-pourback valve stops - as it says - nasty water going back in the tank when you lift the filter out.
The cradle attaches to the wall with suckers - so all you have to do is lift the filter out of this - rather than fight about pulling it off.
The impeller is set above biomedia cage - really easy to open to clean, and simple to fit back together.

You can also order spare parts directly.
PF2 should only cost ?25 - in fact, on eBay you can get it cheaper new.

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I don't have experience with fluvals, but I know a lot incorporate these sytems - perhaps a fluval external/internal owner would like to add some here?
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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-02 15:39

Right,

I'd like to get well on the way to getting the water right as soon as possible,

so a quick call to my local pet store, who dont stock interpet filter's, and have a master test kit (similar to the one described above) so, on my way home i'll pick up the test kit and new filter.

Now, should i bother with some filter boost to get the new filter going, or should i run it alongside the current filter untill my water gets better? or is there something else i should be doing? maybe just drop my wallet straight into the tank :-D lol.
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-02 16:39

Lol - fishkeeping can get expensive.

The only good filter boost you can get is the frozen one - so you can pick that up if you want to. It's a bacterial culture. The bottled ones just stood on the shelf will be dead, but have useful chemicals in sometimes.

Ammolock may be useful.

It's a shame no-one near you has a tank. However, if you can get home in under two hours, maybe your LFS will let you borrow a rock out of one of their tanks. Keep it in a bag of tankwater, and enough bacteria may survive to boost your tank into working again.

I know you use dechlorinator - what kind?
It's worth looking for one with aloe vera in too - helps keep the skin of your fish healthy.

Also, try getting some PURE aloe vera oil - you can put a couple of drops in manually then. Pop them in a cup of tankwater, mix well, ans slowly pour in. It'll soothe any damage done to your fish by the bad chemicals.

Garlic is good to boost the immune system - so if you have garlic tablets, crack one open, and add a splash of the oil to the next feed.

ARTICLES now has a quick list of foods - I know I missed loads, but I'm getting there loL!

Try also - aquatic salt. It must NOT have anti-caking agents in.
Mix at easpoon in a cup of tankwater, allow to settle, and then slowly introduce to the tank.
This will open the fishes gills, and help protect them against futher damage.
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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-02 18:50

ok, added a new filter in alongside the other.

I didnt get to read your reply before i left work, so just went for the test kit and the filter.

Managed to get a hold of the same kit as you i think,. anyway i dont like it, the readings are worse :-S

PH test came back 7.6 so i did a high PH test, that reads 7.8.

NH3 is < 0.25 but not quite dayglow yellow, lol.

NO2 is 0.25

NO3 is, well, it's red, i'd say 160ppm, my blood runs lighter lol.

What do you suggest?
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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-02 18:56

just phoned LFS they said i can borrow an ornament from one of their established tanks, i take it it's as good as a rock?

I can have it out of theirs and into mine in under 30 mins, would this help? and what should i do about the tank as it is now to give the "ornament bacteria" every chance of surviving?

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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-02 20:23

Sorry for mass posting :mellow:

Heres a couple of pics of the filters in the tank.

This is the old filter:

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this is the new Fluval 2 plus (400 l/h)

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And here's a pic of one of the frogs:

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Never realised how hard it was to take pics of things through glass in water lol :woot:
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-02 21:31

Lol - there is an article on Tank photography - go look it up :)

Right, sorry about that - been HORRIBLY busy.

Yup - it's not nice when you see liquid results - but they are FAR more accurate. Do some more waterchanges.

Your pH should come down a bit when the balance is nicer, but mine is that as standard. Everyone's watersupply is unique, so don't worry too much about that - that just dictates what species you'll be able to keep without having to faff around.

30 mins is fantastic, as long as you keep it in a bag of tankwater. Acclimatise it like you would a fish. Sounds daft, but then the bacteria won't die off.

Pop the ornament under/in front of the filter for best effects. If you can swipe some of their gravel, even better. Pop it in a bit of old tights, ans suspend just under the flow from your filter. This will be your bio-media until it moves in. Give it a couple of weeks at least.

Don't worry too much - overworking can make things worse. Just keep doing a just less than 50% change every day, remember to dechlorinate, feed sparingly (remember, the frogs like defrosted frozen food best) and keep your fingers crossed.

With a little luck, and following all the tips we gave you, you should see a big improvement in as little as 3 days.
Oh - forgot. If there is ANY carbon media in any of the filters - remove it.
This'll slow down the process otherwise.

When the bacterial cycle is stable, THEN you can put the carbon back in.
Do that ASAP.
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-02 21:33

Where are you anyway? If I have some plants spare, I may be able to send some down to you in a week or so. (Plants help reduce Nitrate and other chems - but let the bacteria get established a little bit)
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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-03 06:58

Sounds like things are looking up then :-)

i've not added the carbon to the filter, and as you can see the old filter aint exactly all that good either. I suppose as tehre is no good bacteria within the old filter i can just remove it.

I'm in rotherham, not sure if that helps with sending the plants :-)

If i need to borrow the ornament and gravel for around 3 weeks then i'll prbbaly loko to "purchase" an ornament and a scoop or two of their gravel.

The only good filter boost you can get is the frozen one


Should i try and get a hold of some of that too? or will the gravel and ornament be enough?

Dechlorinator i'm using is interpet's fresh start. - any advice?

So as far as i can see now my plan of action is as follows:

50% water change followed by introduction of LFS ornament and gravel.

followed by daily, shall we say 30 - 40% water changes?

and feed sparingly.

I've looked into the species of frog i have and they are definatly the kind that grow rather large. I'm going to organise a second tank to move them into at some point. I dont think i'll need to do so for a month or two though. Does that sound about right?

Many thanks again!
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-03 13:31

That sounds super - don't forget to set the tank up well in advance.
You might get away with using your old filter then.

If you go in articles, you'll see my peice on Silent Cycling with Prawns - I really reccommend you read it ^_^

And yup, you can prob remove the old one.
If it has a bio-centre, leave that in there for a while - if not, just leave one of the foams in. It MAY have some bacteria on that will be useful.

You can buy the frozen stuff if you want, but I wouldn't bother now...

Glad to hear about the Dechlor - I use the Interpet Tapsafe range too. They do a nice one, about ?3.99 for a BIG bottle - I reccommend grabbing that. It's a good bargain, and contains Aloe.

Sounds like you've got everything under control - congratulations! :D
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Postby sharkdude » 2006-08-03 13:35

well looks like IBf's sorted you out but i have a feeding post in the healthcare forum it's well worth you taking a peek
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Postby Maclain » 2006-08-03 19:55

Hey again all :-)

Just an update, done a 50% water change and managed to get a couple of rocks from the local fish shop and also got a handful of gravel, which tehy were kind enough to give me for free :-)

So, have got one rock either side of the filter, and the gravel in an old tight hung over the outlet of the filter (no, it isnt completely blocking the outlet, more directing the flow :-)

done another water test tonight, here are the results:

PH 7.8

NH3 <0.25

NO2 0.5

NO3 i reckon is somewhere between 40 and 80 ppm but it's hard to tell.

My guess is it's looking better, which is a good thing as i've lost FOUR :( fish today.
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Postby sharkdude » 2006-08-03 20:06

well the amonnia is good as thats the biggest harm NO2 could be better but it shuld settle soon and NO3 isnt much of a worry
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2006-08-03 22:53

Expect the Nitrite to come up a little before it goes down again however. This is normal - keep up with it, and you're doing fantastic.

For the frogs, I reccommend a cool wash for them (a degree lower than the tank water) with a spot of pure aloe in - as said, that'll soothe their skins and calm them down.

Also note: if you ever need to treat a fish for illness, remove ANY amphibians - they're VERY sensitive to a lot of meds.

You're doing very well... keep it up ^_^

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