Bent Spine

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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2007-02-03 20:44

I've had a member on PM discussing a problem with a young clown loach - apparantly it's developed an S in the spine, towards the tail, about 3/4 way along the body.

After a few questions, we eliminated fish TB and settled that it was probably a vitamin deficiency.
Sounds like at some point the fish was deficient in something, causing a weakness in the vertebrae of the spine.
As the fish has grown, one of the vertebrae may have crumbled or slipped under the pressure of the fishes muscles getting bigger, causing an oddly shaped back.

I've recommended a more varied diet, including jellied foods for their added vitamin content and more fresh vegetables.

At the moment, the loaches are happily enjoying some cooked carrot.
This probably won't solve the individuals problem, but it will help alleviate it and reduce the risk in the others.
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-03 21:07

firstly thanks to i.b.f. for helping me out and for posting this :tup:

i was going to post anyway but thanks for doing it for me.

right onto the clown problem.

he seems to be eating fine, and swimming fina as well.
all the water prameters are as normal, and all the other fish are fine

untill a few minuets ago, he was fed on king brittish flake food. and potatoes once a week with some sinking pellets every few days

ive just popped some cooked carrots in for him, as well as a slice of orange.
his already had a nibble of the orange and is showing intrest in it

any more input would be greatly helpfull :tup:
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2007-02-03 21:13

Most fresh veg will be gratefully accepted, but avoid swede, brocolli and brussels sprouts - anything that smells bad in cooking will mung up the tank.

Peas and beans are good animal foods.
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-09 17:05

:(
well i lost one of my clowns this morning.

thing is, its not the clown with the 'bent spine'
all of them were out last night and eating fine. . . .

no idea what has caused this :(

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Postby KittyKat » 2007-02-09 18:22

That's a shame J! No external signs of damage/disease?
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-09 18:44

no nothing,
the only thing that i thought was slightly wierd was i noticed the bifurcated Suboccular spine (the spine under its eye) was erect. .

i think that becouse his Suboccular spine, he could of been atacked by the Kribs(cos they are starting to breed , i think) so it could of been stressed?

im only putting 2 and 2 together here though

but aswer your your question, no theres no sign of desease, or damage to him
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Postby KittyKat » 2007-02-09 19:22

How big are the loaches? I can't really imagine kirbs being able to bully them too much...
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-09 19:26

there about 2.5 - 3 inch
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2007-02-09 19:28

Oh dear - I'm sorry to hear it.
Was it both subs, or just the one erect?
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-09 19:31

i dont know actually, i didnt check both of them, just saw one of them out.
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2007-02-09 20:06

Fair enough. If it was both, I would dare say he was upset by something.
If it was the one, he may have snagged on something when stretching out a bit, and panicked.
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-09 21:27

since ive been feeding them difrant things ( since ibf said its could be a vitamin deficiancy i tryed to get as much vitamins to them as i could) he seems to be more 'agile' and isnt trying to swim and ending up going in circles...

so right now things are looking up for him how long will it be before he isnt 'S' shaped ?
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Postby Indigo Blue Fish » 2007-02-09 23:07

Oh I'm glad to hear he's coping better!
He might not ever become completely unkinked, but if he's confident and happy, then that's just fine!

Look at my Kansas - completely buckled to bits, but he's quite content and able.
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Postby KittyKat » 2007-02-12 15:24

I think IBF is correct in her opinion as to what happened to the poor guy... I don't expect kirbs would be able to do any serious damage to a clown loach that size.

How is the other one doing?
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Postby smiley » 2007-02-12 19:07

the 2 that are left. . .well one is fine but i herdly see him, but the other one still has a bent spine. He seems to be able to swim ok, just when hes foraging for food, thats when you can see the problem. im not too worried about him though
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