Help! Cichlid ....Eggs!

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-05 21:43

Ok I need to know what will happen...My cichlid from walmart has been carrying something large in it's mouth. Today I discovered that is was around 15 little orange eggs...the problem is, she doesnt have a mate, and the eggs wont hatch. She cant eat because of the eggs and I fear she wont drop them and realize they are dead. Please help! I dont want my fish to starve! Will she drop them after a few days? It's already been 2 days :(
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2007-06-05 22:07

Hi fishlover01,
Ide be interested to know if you have any other males of a different specie in with your female. Regardless, it is not unknown for a female to drop and pick up unfertilised eggs. It is not a problem and your lady won't starve. If it is the case that the eggs are unfertilised she will spit and eat them within a day or two and no harm will be done. On the other hand if you do have males of other specie in with her there will be a chance that they are fertile and of course will be hybrids. What ever the case all will be fine,
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-06 17:38

hi

what species is this cichlid.

all mouthbrooding species should not pick up unwanted/unfertilised eggs, so they are fertilised. might it be that there was a male at walmart? besides, if it is only 2 days the eggs wont have hatched anyway, so there is no need to worry

there is not chance of the cichlid starving. i currently have a mouthbrooding female geophagus steindachneri, she has been brooding for around 2 weeks now, without eating. this is completely normal, and as mouthbrooders they have adapted to go for long periods of time without eating. if the eggs are unviable, she will notice, and consume them, as it is a form of recycling, all the protein and energy gained from those eggs will go into the next batch.

dont worry about it, and please keep everyone here posted as to what is going on :)

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-10 19:12

Thanks so much for the urgent responses guys it really helps =] I do not know the precise species of the cichlid, I do know she is a pale blue with pale black/purple stripes that sometimes fade out until she looks a pale bluish purple. (I am not big on information on cichlids so I'm sorry if this sounds weird) She has pale yellow fins that are sometimes bright yellow with three egg spots (which I believed to have made her a male) She is around 4 inches and lives alone in a 10 gallon aquarium (my dad's doings) I've had her for around 6 months to a year so I'm not sure if the eggs would be fertilized... but that's pretty much the only information I have...She's been carrying the eggs for a week now =|

EDIT: I've been searching for a fish that looks like her and this is the closest pic I've found. I believe she is a female Kennyi....she looks identical to the pic in color and shape Here's the pic:

<a href='http://www.cichlids.com/uploads/tx_usercichlids/01_000_0737.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.cichlids.com/uploads/tx_usercic...01_000_0737.jpg</a>

And another:

<a href='http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_lombardoi.php' target='_blank'>http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_lombardoi.php</a>

(except mines alittle more bluish/purple =])
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-10 20:27

are you absolutely certain they are eggs? whether it is a he or a she, if it has been alone in a tank for that amount of time, unless it is a livebearer (they can store sperm for large periods of time) then i cannot think how they could possibly be fertilised.

my only conclusion would be are you absolutely certain they are eggs?

to be honest, when it comes to malawi im not overly knowledgeable, so someone else may be able to comment more.

good luck!

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-10 20:36

I'm 99% sure they are eggs. At first I believed she was carrying a rock, but then she never spit it out, and when I finally got a good look in her mouth, they are perfect orange circles and there are at least 5-10... What else could it be? And does she have to have a mate to lay eggs, or can she lay unfertilized eggs? Thanks for the help so far guys!
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-10 21:04

did you say she had egg spots on her anal fin?

if so, i believe that makes her a male, as it is used because it tricks the female into thinking that she had missed some eggs, goes towards his vent, at which point he releases semen, which promptly fertilise the eggs in her mouth.

if it is a male, and you are 100% sure there is no other fish in the tank, then it must be something other than eggs.

you have got me extremely confused!

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-11 16:09

I'm beyond knowing what to do...This fish has had me confused since day 1. The reason I know they are eggs is because they are a unique orange color(not found in the tank rocks or ect.) and they are perfect circles...I guess it's a he/she :lol2: IT has been carrying them still, and built a bigger cave, pretty much that messed up every decoration in the tank, where it normally makes small digging holes.. If by some miracle I can get a pic on here I will but that's a 10% chance =[
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-11 16:25

well the most important thing is it wont starve, so there is nothing to worry about from that point of view.

if i were you i would carry on feeding as normal, and see what happens. there is a small chance that it is a hemaphrodite, as some fish species i know are able to change sex. however, as far as i am aware the only time this occurs is when there is a shortage of a particular sex, never that it can reproduce asexually.

you might just have a ichthyological, and i suppose a biological marvel here!

*extremely confused* :blink:

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-11 17:05

Sorry for the confusion, but I'm just LOST :bmp: I did get help though and I appreciate all of it =] my little he/she is quite a different fish =D. :poke: but I am still wondering.... what will the future hold for this little fish? = ) I wouldnt be supprized if the eggs hatched and were seahorses at this point lol
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-12 09:19

that would be a marvel! :huh:

is they any chance of some pics of this fish. with pics we could get a positive identity, and im sure someone will be familiar with their breeding/brooding techniques (it needs to be the actual fish, because many species are almost identical, but the small differances can make for a completely differant fish in some aspects)

agian, i wish you luck,

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-15 15:38

I will try my very best to get some picks for you guys if I can =] Also her eggs are gone as of yesterday. =] But she's still not eating so I guess she will when she calms down :)
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Postby carpy » 2007-06-15 22:17

if you could that would be great. and keep us posted on this!

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Postby fishlover01 » 2007-06-16 17:48

Here's my pics! I'll try to have at least a couple of this he/she! Please help me identify! Thanks!

Dont be fooled by the pointed looking fins in the first photo she is turned to where they look like it but the are truly rounded at the tips.

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On the second photo you can get a good look at the egg spots this fish has. :huh:

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Postby carpy » 2007-06-16 21:57

in all honesty im not good with africans. it looks to me like a labidochromis of some description. that being the case, it should really have lots of rocks in that tank, so it might bo worth addig that!

nice looking fish by the way, sorry i cant help more!

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