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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 12:34

my biggest male guppy, his chest is VERY pronounced! it looks a bit weird, especially cos males seem to be more slender and females usually have a bigger chest. i dont know if there's something wrong with him. he's still eating but i'm not too sure... he has a pink patch on the front of his chest too, the same colour as his gills... but it looks like a bruise, and his scales are a tiny bit pine-cone-like over the biggest bit of the swollen part. looks like he has a very full crop (if he was a bird that is..)

any ideas what this is? why it's happened?
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-09 12:46

Pine cone is usually a symptom of dropsey, but apart from that, I really dont know. I also don't know of any really good treatments for that.... Sorry. Hope some one else can be of more help to you.

Good luck with him.
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Postby Kev » 2006-01-09 16:19

Has the Guppy gone off its food and become lethargic or anything? If so then it is most likely to be Dropsy, once it gets to the pine-cone stage it is extremely hard to treat.
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Postby Sam » 2006-01-09 16:27

If the answers to Kev's questions are yes, get it out the tank! You have no idea how contagious dropsy is. You could end up losing your whole stock.
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-09 17:03

Definitely sounds like dropsy....isolate it....do not feed it for 2/3 days....add a bacteria control to the tank it came from, also add it to the hospital tank. This is not proposed as a cure, just as an aid to a hopeful recovery.
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-09 17:10

The trouble with dropsy is that the water retention is not the disease itself. The pine cone and the retention is caused by a deeper infection, probably kidneys which is usually an irreversable damage.

I have heard people using epsom salts to try to draw the fluid out of the fish, like using a diuretic in humans. I have never used this method myself, and cannot vouch for its effectiveness, but it might be something worth looking it in a google search?
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 18:42

he's eating a little bit, and he's not lethargic, i wouldnt say, but he isnt himslef. he hasnt flirted with any of the females the whole day, but he is swimming around, and his fins aren't clamped.. its so strange. the bulge is so big now he is 'shimmying' as he swims, if he swims slowly.. but if he swims fast he looks ok.
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 18:45

could it be from over feeding? or could he have some kind of bloat disease? the water quality is not good at all. very high in nitrites. i did a water change today, but i dont have enough buckets, so the changes are small (20L a time) cos i have to let the water sit for 24hrs... will do another change tomorrow.. :(
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 18:52

now my biggest female guppy is swimming vertically !!!!! :( :( she's jsut hanging in the water and keeps sinking!! what the hell is going on??
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-09 19:01

You could be right about all of this being to do with the nitrates. The swimming vertically could be to do with a swim bladder problem, or the other thing that has been mentioned is constipation for this kind of swimming.

Your best course of action would be to fix the water conditions. Nitrate can cause all sorts of problems, and even a healthy fish can be brought down with a disease that it would not normally have got if it has been weakened by poor water quality.

You could do larger water changes if you used some kind of dechlorinator for the water you are replacing, just as a stop gap measure until you are clear of the nitrates. Then you could go back to your aged water method.
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 19:06

hi saracen, no, its the nitrites that are high, even worse then nitrates :-( i add stree zyme to my water, but still let it sit for 24hrs cos apparently thats how long it takes for it to work if u dont want the filter taking strain? also, should i just fast the fish? or feed them peas? the male looks like he has a big red sore under the skin, that is swollen, like a blister! totally pigeon chested!

do u think if they've been overfed, are they going to make it? i think we overfed yesterday :(
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-01-09 19:15

only feed a few peas/day for a few days and nothing else.

if you've got an air stone, put that in the bucket and cut down the standing time to 8-10 hours. make sure the water is VERY well aeriated in the tank as well (filter outlet is set so that it creates the maximum surface disturbance)

add sea salt or epsome salt at a rate of 1 teaspoon/gallon. disolve this well in the new water before adding it.

when can you get to your LFS?

overfeeding once is not a problem, but constant overfeeding is very bad.
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-09 19:49

Sorry TG, misread the I for an A.

I knew someone would know more about Epsome salts than me, thanks Kat!
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-09 23:04

hmmmm, the male is playing in the bubbles and flirting again (albeit with a little less gusto)!! and i think the female that was swimming, or rather just 'hanging' vertically is having a bowel movement. it's very thick and quite white...(sorry guys!), but she's swimming around a little now.. not much though, but at least she's moving again. hope she makes it through the nite :(
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-01-10 17:52

well, RIP female guppy :( she was dead this morning ... por thing... but the male, he's totally normal again! :o just a small little lump now.

was wondering, my female, she came out with what like blotches of internal bleeding. like clusters of broken capillaries. was that cos she was so constipated that she started rupturing inside? :( :( :(
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