Puffers belly turning grey

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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 14:22

Noticed last night that our puffers (F8) belly was a little grey. This morning it is very grey. Checked the water and all is ok. PH is 7.2 amonia is 0, nit is 0. Cant check the salt due to dont have a tester yet (shame on me). Puff seems to be eating fine, but 3 days ago this happened to the other puffer and it turned brown and died. Anyone got a clue?
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-01-18 14:32

any chance of a pic?

it's quite normal for the belly to be grey (the colour depends on water, age, source etc.), but not brown...
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-18 14:37

I don't have mush experience with puffers, but from what im reading the grey belly is a stress symptom and is ok, providing that it is only temporary.

Is this his only symptom? No flashing or abnormal behaviour? Any gill swelling or fin clamping?
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 14:38

Still no digital camera here. At least this ones not brown. Its light grey looks kind of like its being shaded in darker to lighter grey as you get down round the belly. Its color is fine nice and green with blk markings on the top of it and its not acting strange or ill.
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 14:40

Stupid me their green spotted puffers not f8s. :blink:
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-01-18 14:41

did you change water in the last few days or top up?

scrap what i said before about the bellies, that applied to F8s only. The amount of grey on green spotted puffers bellies is a good indicator of stress. the grayer, the worse.
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-18 14:47

I can't remember, how long have you had them? Have you been adding the salt slowly? The only thing I am getting from searching is that the salt conditions may not match exactly to what they were conditioned to at the pet shop (wherever you got them from)
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 14:56

Kat, I topped it up a couple of days ago as the water didnt need anything, I do water changes every 4 to 6 weeks (25% +/-).

Saracen, we have had them for about 6 weeks and I have slowly been adding aquaium salt and was going to start some marine salt the beginning of Feb.

Oh, I also added 3 tiger barbs, a couple of days ago, after the first one died. Yes they were quaranteened for 14 days before they went in. They all seem to be getting along well no fighting or nipping, its a 30g tank so there is plenty of room.

Wonder if the puff is POed at its new company?
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-18 15:07

As they are both showing the same symptoms both prior and post barbs, I would be tempted to rule them out as the cause.....( I may be wrong in saying that, someone feel free to contradict me)

As I say, the only thing I can think of would be the salinity factor. It would be useful to know how much the sg had raised since you started aclimating them. I read that they should be raised from fw in increments of 0.002 sg per week, until in full marine conditions.
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 15:13

Yes I need to go to the LFS today and get a tester for the salt content. Guess im off to the shower and out into the snow :( to get one. I will update you when I get home and test the water. Thank you for your help so far. Talk to you in a bit.
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-18 15:36

Good luck. Hope everything goes ok for Puff, so sorry to hear he lost his friend. :cry:
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-18 17:47

Hi Surface,
Can you confirm that your puffers are; Common names, Green Spotted Puffer, Spotted puffer / puffer fish, Scientific name Tetraodon nigroviridis. If correct then they are indeed brackish water fish. The only reason I mention this is that you mentioned you topped up, no doubt using tap water, correct me if I'm wrong. These fish are highly susceptible to changes in water conditions due to being scale less and any small or big change will stress them dramatically and more times than not cause death in a very short time. Trying to correct it is even enough to cause fatalities. I have kept this sp. in the long distant past and was not at all successful but then I never had access to the knowledge that is available in the form it is today. So again it's a question of research before buying a species of fish one has had no experience with. Six to five weeks between water changes is not a good practice and for puffers definitly a bad thing, Unless your/the filtration is upto it, two weeks maybe?
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Postby Danny » 2006-01-18 18:01

My old GSP used to the same thing every now and then but not constantly, never showed any bad signs and it was usually on water changes, parameters stayed correct and the fish was happy though.


i might of missed your post if u mentioned he is FW or BW?
GSPs are indeed BW fish but can be raised in FW and slowly acclimated to BW even SW but are the best to keep in BW :)

let us know once you test it with the hydrometer
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 18:17

I have been slowly turning my water brackish. The fish came from the store and were in fresh water so that is what i started them out with in their tank. It was fully cycled (fishless) the store even double checked my water for me when we picked up the fish to make sure the water was the same as theirs. We did do research on this species before we got it. Also it is a green spotted puffer (think i was still tired this am when i said f8). When I topped off the tank i added another tsp. of salt to the water so not exactly fresh water, I also let the water sit for 24hrs this seems to let the clorine evaporate from it.

Ok, I got the hydrometer! :60: Read the directions and says I need to prime it for 24hrs for an accurate reading. Im going to test it out and see what kind of reading I get then let it prime for 24 hrs and take another reading. Also got some Instant Ocean, not sure if I will use it or keep up with Aquarium Salt, there is a lot of conflicting information on this subject (salt) so be back in moments and tell you what the Hydrometer says.
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Postby Surface » 2006-01-18 18:26

Ok, it says 1.004,
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