Gravel vac

Postby mac » 2006-01-15 17:00

Are they any good? If so can anyone please recommend a decent one and if poss a link to where I cn get it. I do have one at the moment what my girlfriend bought on ebay but it doesn't reall seem to be doing the job very good :o
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Postby saracen » 2006-01-15 20:13

Do you mean a powered one, or one that works off the suction from the syphon action?

I have a bog standard syphon one that I bought at pets at home, and it works really well. They do different sizes in there that would suit most fish tanks. Not too expensive either.

For powered, I have no clue! I will let someone else take that part....
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Postby Sam » 2006-01-15 20:36

Gravel Vacs are indispensible, you should definitely get one. I'm not sure about battery powered ones, but the ones that work by siphoning are simple, easy to use, and cheap.
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Postby -Rambler- » 2006-01-20 02:49

First let me start Gravel vacuuming is very necessary and a must ( a little less in moderate to heavy planted or live sand bed reef, of course). I am not sure of what is available in the UK (but am learning) the "Python" is very popular in the US. Also, Lee's has one similar. It hooks up to the kitchen/bathroom faucet and is powered by a "pump" that starts the syphon. It is powered by the water pressure from your faucets running water (if anyone had a waterbed back in the day, it is the same thing as a drain/refill kit). It is more powerful than ordinary syphon and way more conveiniant. No buckets needed. The removed water goes down the drain and with a flick of a switch you can refill the aquarium. If you use a dechlorinater you can just pour it in the water stream. As far as the DIY portion you can make one easily if a waterbed drain/refill kit is available and clear vinyl tubing(food quality) is available. If not I have made one from plumbing parts from the hardware store. Allthough I haven't perfected it yet (lack of time) it works but can be better. It cost me about $15US for parts for a 20 foot legnth. About $10US more every additional 20 foot. I intended on writing an article on it when it is done, perhaps this will inspire me to finally perfect it. Here's a link, hope it works. <a href='http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?CatalogCustomerNum=&catalognum=&pCatId=3910&prodId=7256&catId=1096990&siteid=6' target='_blank'>http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod...096990&siteid=6</a>
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-20 03:11

<div align=center> GRAVEL CLEANING
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Simple DIY gravel cleaner.</div>

Some more on gravel cleaning and, hopefully quell some misconceived ideas like the guy who owns a huge tank and stated that he only cleans half the gravel at each water change. He went on, giving his reason for what he did as an aid to maintaining the denitrifying bacteria that colonises the uncleaned half of gravel. Wrong! did I put him right? no, he was one of those guys that wasn't going to take advice from anyone. The mistake in thinking you are preserving denitrifying bacteria under dirty conditions, be it gravel, filters or any thing else that it is going to claim as home can be best explained by referring to how a fluidized bed filter does it's job.* No I'm not going to go into all the details on FBF's. What I will say is, if you look at it from the point of view that it is a gravel bed which is constantly on the move, supplied with prefiltered, oxygenated (clean) water then you can see the connection to clean substrate. To make it quite clear, a FBF is so designed that it's only function is to remove nitrite from aquarium water. So as **** (formerly known as PB) stated, cleaning substrate is a vital function of keeping a healthy tank not only for your fish but also for the friendly denitrifying bacteria. Just a little more on gravel cleaning then I'll get to the sketch at the top. GC is not just a procedure that is carried out whilst doing water changes, it can be done at any time. One way is with the aid of the mains supplied power vacs. Some of these devices are so designed that they return the filtered water back to the tank. This is done through a bag as in the old fashion vacuum cleaners. (Think Hoover) There is also the battery operated type which work in the same way. The latter is ideal for small tanks and really only if you have one tank. For larger tanks you will be better to invest in a power vac. Or, and this is where we get to me little drawing, :lol:
You can also buy this type of air powered GC but this is a DIY version on which you can decide on the length of pipe according to the depth of your tank. So what do you need to make this old time GC, the list is as follows: <div align=center>Air Lift GC
Parts required for construction. </div>
  • One length of half inch+ in diameter hose, length dependent on depth of tank</li>
  • Two lengths of standard air line. One length can be a little longer than the thick hose, the other as long as required.</li>
  • One air line control connector</li>
  • One 90 degrees air line connector</li>
  • One 90 degree connector to fit the large hose.</li>
  • One bag capable of filtering. (I use a nylon pop sock)</li>
  • A suitable air supply.</li>
  • Four or five small rubber bands.</li>
  • A ten inch length of quarter inch dowel.</li>
The only part thats important in the construction is the placement of the hole for the air line. This is made 2" from the end of the thick hose. The rest of the construction should be easy to to work out from the drawing. Any probs then please ask, always willing to help. If anyone does make and, use it, be sure to let us all know how you get on.

mac, most good lfs's stock power vacs
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-20 12:33

here's a <a href='http://www.theaquariumshop.co.uk/underworld-hangon-power-gravel-cleaner-o-219.html' target='_blank'>link</a> for you
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Postby -Rambler- » 2006-01-21 03:15

Sorry Mick I disagree. I have had less fish illness by removing the water while vacuuming. I plunge the vacuum tube completely to the bottom (touching the glass bottom) and slowly lift the tube until it clears. Not so much the big chunks that I am concerned about(allthough they can be problematic), its the soluable organics that most filters wont catch. I am on the side of only vacuuming until the desired amount of water is removed. Usually this practice gets the whole gravel bed clean (if you have "proper sized" gravel) , but sometimes if I let it go too long only 3/4, 1/2 or 1/4 get done. This is of course in non-planted or lightly planted. In planted I only skim when doing PWC's. Every 3-6 months I uproot 1/2 the aquarium 1 week and do a thorough gravel vacuum. The 2nd week I do the other half and re-plant.
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-21 13:58

Hi ****,
Nice critique, but I think you have ether misinterpreted or misunderstood what I was putting across. I think I am correct in assuming that you agree that substrate cleaning should be carried out when doing water changes. What I suggested was that it could also be done anytime in between (as well as once a week with WC's)with the use of a water returning power vac etc. Some would say that this approach would cause to much stress to the fish. The only stress I see is in the fact that the fish seem to think that the particles being drawn up are food . The stress factor comes in because they cant access what they see. Or to put it another way, the are all the the time pecking at the pipe/hose in attempt to access what they think is food. As for the wrong size gravel I like to think you meant the wrong size hose. I have often had people say to me how do you mange to clean all your substrate in one go. Well I use an appropriate size hose, one that allows me to do a 40/50% WC and 100% GC. Failing to do a 100% GC whilst doing a WC can be over come by the use of a power vac etc, or by adding a flow control valve to the hose which is used for the main WC. I would also add that the smaller WC's can also be a problem when attempting a100% GC but this can also be achieved if all of the above is taken into consideration. All I can say to your point on doing less than 100% GC's is "Doing less than 100% is the same as not doing the job at all". As harsh as that might seem it is how I feel, for after lunch would you only wash half the dishes, I don't think so. If I have offended then please accept my humble apologies, it was not my intent. In good spirit,
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Postby -Rambler- » 2006-01-21 23:10

I am confussed. But what I meant by "wrong sized gravel" is the larger rocks IMO 2-4mm is "Ideal" for substrate, It is small enough where the gravel vacuum can suck it up into the Vacuum tube and swirl arround without it being sucked out of the aquarium from the syphon. It is small enough not to compact to tightly, but tight enough to keep fish poop and other debris from getting caught in between. To me it just seems easier to maintain. I agree with you that people have a fear that "too much vacuuming will stress the fish, and it does more harm then good" tell that to my betta and oto's that try to swim in the vacuum and hover arround out of curiousity. The truth is the fish get used to the maintainance after a while when they realize there is no threat. Maybe our confusion is our idea of gravel vacuuming??? To me, gravel vacuuming is plunging the vacuum tube deep into the gravel bed, and jiggling it until the chamber is rid of the cloudy water. I know some just hover over the gravel and remove the top layer of crud. That is their deffinition of gravel vacuuming. Kinda like one does with sand substrate. If that is all that you are doing with the gravel vacuum that reurns water, I don't have a problem with it. That, after all is what a filter does. I guess if it is done that way daily there is no concern. If it is just weekly or worse bi-weekly and the water was returned on a deep vacuum, I wouldn't do it. But thats just my opinion, and you know the saying....
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2006-01-22 02:34

This gets better and better, every now and again I need a kick in the butt, to get my brain working. :lol1: I had hose on the brain, :bonk: :crazy: I see where your coming from now. It also made me realise how naive I can be as well realising just how much I take for granted. Honestly, I never thought there was any other way to GC other than pushing through to the base of the substrate. There are areas, and types of substrate, as you said, where this cant be done. There are are also times when it would not be conducive to certain conditions. To mention one, which is at the extreme end of the scale; the Killifish breeding set up. All in all I have come to the conclusion that we are both going down the same road, with the same aims. Those aims being (the bottom line) to help others.

So with great respect to you **** and my apologies to mac for taking over his/her thread. I will now attempt to get it back to the topic, "Gravel vac"

May be, hopefully, you have your vac by now? If you have and, have trouble controlling the uptake of substrate, then the advice on the insertion of a flow control valve really does work. It will work on all types with the exception of some battery powered ones. cyl
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