how to make brackish water

Postby tankgirl » 2006-09-14 13:39

so i've been doing some research and came across an article that puffers dont need slightly brackish water, even though a lot of lfs's say they do need a little salt in the water. when i went to that cruddy lfs down the road they said that puffers start off fresh water,but as they get older they require more brackish conditions. then i read that aquarium salt is NOT the way to create a brackish environment. sooo, what does one need to use then? and are puggers totally fresh water fish all their lives?
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-09-14 14:29

That would depend on the species of puffer: the two dwarf puffer species (C. travancoricus and C. travancoricus) are both 100% freshwater, while most of the others are brackish (or marine).

Use pure sea salt/aquarium salt to bring the salinity up (which should be done gradually over a period of time)... To get an accurate reading, you need to use a hydrometer which is available at most LFS or over the internet. Mix the salty water for waterchanges 24 hours before you use it because the pH can go funky untill it settles.
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Postby tankgirl » 2006-09-14 14:49

a quote from Puffer Forum:

'Aquarium salt has its uses, but for the average, every day setup, its really worthless. It doesn't make brackish water, so even for brackish fish, its not the right thing to buy.'

so WHAT does make water brackish then?
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-09-14 15:02

I guess the guy who wrote that is refering to one of the "tonic" salts... those are not the correct type to use (ex. epsom salts). Also do not use mined salts.

Sea salt does make the water brackish. It is sometimes sold as "aquarium" salt at LFS or also as "marine mix". To know what you need to buy, you need to go to your LFS and have a look at the ingredients of the salt (no, salt is not always 100% salt). Look for any salt labeled as "100% sea/marine salt" or for "marine mix".
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Postby sharkdude » 2006-09-14 16:04

i use pure salt that is sold at most shops BUT you must make sure that it doesn't contain any other ingrediants and anti-caking agents.
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Postby Mudskipper » 2006-09-14 16:40

Sharkdude what do you use pure salt for ? you brackish setups?


Marine mix or marine salt , is the type for brckish and marine tanks. Seawater is made up of way way more than just sodium. but as Kat said if you are getting any of the dwarf species, C travancoricus, or C imitator ( which might even be the same species , as very little work is actually done on puffer science) Then you wont really need salt.

I really hate to argue with what you said( as its not your fault , the lack of puffer info is abismal) ,but there are tons of freshwater puffers. FOr some reason tons of puffer info is messed up.At least you would keep them brackish, many people think all puffer are fresh and marine!

here is a list of the freshwater puffers( just off the top of my head there are even more!)

Auriglobus modestus
Auriglobus silus
Auriglobus amabilis
Auriglobus nefastus
Auriglobus remotus

Carinotetraodon irrubesco
Carinotetraodon lorteti
Carinotetraodon salivator
Carinotetraodon travancoricus
Carinotetraodon imitator

Colomesus asellus

Tetraodon abei
Tetraodon baileyi
Tetraodon cochinchinensis
Tetraodon cutcutia
Tetraodon lineatus
Tetraodon duboisi
Tetraodon mbu
Tetraodon palembangensis
Tetraodon pustulatus
Tetraodon miurius
Tetraodon suvatti
Tetraodon turgidus
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-09-14 16:58

Mudskipper wrote: Marine mix or marine salt , is the type for brckish and marine tanks. Seawater is made up of way way more than just sodium. but as Kat said if you are getting any of the dwarf species, C travancoricus, or C imitator ( which might even be the same species , as very little work is actually done on puffer science) Then you wont really need salt.

That is right. Salt is also not just sodium chloride or sodium nitrate or sodium nitrate. It is a "mix" of elements... the mix of elements found in salt water was what i was refering to as 100% sea salt, sorry if I was not too clear :) what I was trying to emphasize was that sometimes other substances which are not found inteh sea etc are added to salt which makes it no good for aquarium use.
Mudskipper wrote:I really hate to argue with what you said( as its not your fault , the lack of puffer info is abismal) ,but there are tons of freshwater puffers. FOr some reason  tons of puffer info is messed up.At least you would keep them brackish, many people think all puffer are fresh and marine!

I completely agree with you on the lack of info out there! There are also problems in saying if puffers are freshwater/brackish or marine because some species are seen every now and then in water that is just borderline brackish... so as a result people tend to keep them in brackish water, but also some people have found that certain species of puffer seem to do better in brackish water and this has also caused people to say puffers are brackish... <a href='http://www.pufferlist.com/' target='_blank'>this page</a> has a list of puffers which is worth looking at.
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Postby Mudskipper » 2006-09-14 17:01

LOL no kat that was clear ( at least in my mind) what i meant by argue was that there are a ton of freshwater puffers!, LOL you can never get enough new information, at least thats the way i look at it
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Postby KittyKat » 2006-09-14 17:09

Yep ^_^ I was answering to your second half while you replied lol
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Postby Mudskipper » 2006-09-14 17:32

LOL i hate when that happens!

yes that is a good page , damian knows a lot, but those are just the more commonly found ones! not nearly a complete list.

yeah it is confusing with puffers , but some people have done a lot of work on it. I belive you are talking about figure 8,and green spotted puffers, the F8 are brackish, but the "gsp"is brackish to even full marine, but are spawned in freshwater, so people often confus stuff. and often times puffers are confused with one another so its very trying!!!

maybe you guys could put in a soley puffer section as they are such a misunderstood fish.?


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Postby sharkdude » 2006-09-14 19:15

MS, I ment pure sea salt.

on that line there are most species of fish taht vary from fresh to marine.
what do you do if a puffer does puff up in a tank? or am I on teh wrong path?
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Postby Mudskipper » 2006-09-14 20:42

sharkdude wrote: MS, I ment pure sea salt.

on that line there are most species of fish taht vary from fresh to marine.
what do you do if a puffer does puff up in a tank? or am I on teh wrong path?

im not quite sure what you are ask, but i want to answer you please rephrase.
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Re: how to make brackish water

Postby anymore5678 » 2016-05-16 02:48

MS, I ment pure sea salt.
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