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Postby Aquaboy » 2007-05-09 21:44

:) Also, dookie ya might wanna hurry up and get a second microrasbora and harlequin before they die of loneliness. :rip:
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Postby saracen » 2007-05-10 08:38

I wouldn't have thought that WCMM's don't need much oxygen. I would have thought their requirements are petty much the same for a fish of their size.

Also, people are finding out to their detriment, that not everyone who works in a LFS actually know what they are doing. It's just the stores good luck that our Dookie set out to get that job after learning her stuff. You should never assume that a sales assistant actually has experience.
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2007-05-10 15:04

A little more info on the WCMM :tup:

The White Cloud Mountain minnow (Tanichthys albonubes) is a very hardy species of freshwater aquarium fish. It is a member of the carp family (family Cyprinidae) of order Cypriniformes, native to China and Vietnam.

The species was discovered at White Cloud Mountain in a highly oxygenated stream in the 1930s by a Boy Scout leader called Tan? hence the generic name Tanichthys ("Tan's fish"). The specific name albonubes is from the Latin alba nubes (white cloud).


T. albonubes: This species grows to approximately 4 cm (roughly 1.5 in) in overall length, and is silver-green in color with a bright red caudal fin. Several varieties are known, one with bright light edges to the dorsal and anal fins and one with red edges to those fins. In addition, there is a long-finned variety. Sexual dimorphism is slight, the male generally possessing more brilliant coloration and having a slightly slimmer body.

The fish are sold in the aquarium trade under a variety of similar names, including White Cloud, White Cloud Mountain fish, White Cloud minnow, etc. The names Canton or China danio (although it is not actually a danio, scientifically speaking) and cardinal fish are also encountered. Aphyocypris pooni is an obsolete synonym for this species; it was coined to designate a color variety which is now known to be the same species as the White Cloud Mountain minnow.

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Healthy White Cloud Mountain minnows will display to each otherWhite Cloud Mountain minnows are considered good fish for beginners, as they are extremely forgiving with regard to aquarium temperature or water quality, and make an ideal "starter fish" for cycling a new aquarium. They are schooling fish, and feel most comfortable in a shoal of at least five minnows. An individual one of these minnows kept alone may become timid and lose its bright color. Generally, White Cloud Mountain minnows are peaceful and happy to coexist with other fish, as long as they are not put in a tank with larger fish that may eat them. The minnows are usually top or middle-level swimmers and rarely swim close to the bottom of a tank. The minimum size for a tank should be 60cm

"Meteor Minnow"
"Meteor Minnow"While normal temperature range of the species in the wild is 18 C-26 C (64-72F), it can survive water temperatures down to 5C (41F); this makes it an ideal fish for keeping in an unheated aquarium in cold climates. pH levels should not exceed 8.0 or be lower then 6.0

In earlier times (the 1940s and 1950s) White Cloud Mountain minnows, as aquarium fish, had been nicknamed the "Poor Man's Neon" or "Working Man's Neon" because back then, they were more affordable in price than the more colorful Neon Tetras.

There are two variants currently in common cultivation; the "Golden Cloud" and the longer-finned "Meteor Minnow". The Golden Cloud is a relatively new variety as compared to the Meteor Minnow. The Meteor Minnow first made its appearance in the 1950s and the Golden Cloud in the 1990s. Breeding between the two varieties has recently resulted in another attractive fish, the "Golden Meteor Minnow"

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The White Cloud Mountain minnow is easy to breed and is recommended for novice breeders. It may be conditioned for breeding with live foods such as brine shrimp and daphnia. White Clouds are egg-scatterers, dropping their eggs freely amongst the vegetation, but may cannibalize their offspring.


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Postby Aquaboy » 2007-05-11 00:30

Im pretty sure white clouds dont need much oxygen because i heard once of somebody having a trio of them and a betta in a 2.5 gallon tank.
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Postby Mick e. t. » 2007-05-11 03:57

Aquaboy,
I think your pulling my leg and I suggest that if you know the location of these fish, go tell the guy the error of his way. If it was me, I would report him/her to your equivalent of our RSPCA.

As for you saying you would advise newbies to follow the rule of thumb re stocking levels, why then do you contradict yourself in this thread by saying it is a load of bull ? Remember we have novices, first timers and those who might just have an interest as to how we enthusiasts treat our fish, they all spend time checking out all the forum/sites for info...to find comments such as yours would be a little confusing to say the least. Bear it in mind when you have strong opinions, and how they might effect others, especially beginners. Respect :tup:
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Postby Dookie » 2007-05-11 07:13

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Yep, the long grassy plants at the back are Vallis. I started off with only 3 bunches and it soon takes over. :)

The yellow labs have been evicted and their aquarium is now up for sale. They're in a spare tank just now but I can't quite bring myself to take them into work and throw them in with the bad boys! We have one huge 350L malawi tank and there really aren't many hiding places in there, my poor timmid fish would be terrofied! :( I'm going to try selling them privately. I don't want to buy any more malawis and I don't think it fair to only keep these 3, especially as there are 2 males and 1 female.

I'm going to agree with Mick on the general rules of thumb on stocking levels. I deal with beginners on a daily basis, they need basic, uncomplicated advice to get them started off correctly. More complex things can be learned at a later date. I had some little 10 year old brat and his Dad tell me I was talking out of my a$$ a few days ago when I refused to sell them fish. Their water tested at nitrite 50ppm and Ammonia 50ppm!! No wonder their shrimps had died! :rolleyes: Trying to explain something as simple as "i can't sell you fish because your water is currently very toxic to fish and your filter needs more time to mature.....filter bacteria etc" I explained twice over and they were still completely ignorant. Thankfully not everyone is as rude, most are happy to take advice.
So yeah, simple, general rules of thumb on all things for beginners is the only way to go. Anything more just confuses people and it goes straight over their heads anyway.
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Postby KittyKat » 2007-05-11 14:45

Aquaboy wrote: Im pretty sure white clouds dont need much oxygen because i heard once of somebody having a trio of them and a betta in a 2.5 gallon tank.

There are three fundamentally wrong things I can see with that...
- The tank is too small for a single Betta, let alone a Betta and 3 very active fish. (I know people keep Bettas in jars, but that doesn't make it right.)
- WCMM are coldwater while Bettas are tropicals
- WCMM are schooling fish so they should be kept in groups of at least 5.

People don't always keep fish in the conditions they should be kept in, which is why forums like this exist to provide them with the information they need in order to keep their fish healthy and happy. Our aim is to encourage people to find out about their fish before they buy them and we are here to provide help in finding that information and to offer our own experience.

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