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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-18 22:40

I was think, and my mom, that when I get me new room done (Ocean and plam tree theme, but mostly palm trees) I could have a small saltwater tank in my room with 1-3 fish. I was thinking some of those Yellowtail Damselfish or other small Damselfish that are only $4.99 or something. Anyway would a 5 gallon tank be too small for 1-3 of those fish?
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Postby saracen » 2005-11-18 22:49

I don't keep them, but from what I have gathered, 5 gallons is really small for a saltwater tank. I think that would be what Kev is talking about when he says "nano" or, perhaps only just bigger than nano.

I do know that some damsels are notoriously bad tempered, admitedly I don't know what specific species you are talking about, but I seem to remember that sw fish take up a lot more room than fw fish, so the inch per gallon rule goes out the window, and is probably closer to an inch per 5.

Wait and see what Kev and Dan say, but I would hazzard a guess that the most you could keep in the 5 would be coral and inverts, providing the lighting was right.
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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-18 22:51

What about a Blue/Green Reef Chromis? If not that then what would? What kind of fish could live in a 5 gallon tank?
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Postby Dan0504 » 2005-11-20 18:42

okay if this is your first SW tank dotn do a nano, its way to advanced. get a 30g to start. i recomend the 30 beacuse its not huge but you can get some nice fish. you cant keep anything but nano fish in a 5g. do a 30 or even a 20.
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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-20 20:56

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>I'll have to try to get a bigger tank, 10 gallon I know is the max, otherwise it gets to pricey. I have a 20 Gallon tank and It cost us at least $150-$200. We don't want to spend that much since we are having a new addition on our house and I'm redoing my future room and stuff so I probubly will have to stick with some neon tetras in a small tank or something.</span>
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Postby Kev » 2005-11-21 08:07

A 10g might not be too bad, as long as stocking levelrs are low. Blue/Green Chromis are shoaling fish so they would not be the best to go for. Have a look at some of the fish at http://www.liveaquaria.com, they have a section just for Nano-fish, have a look and come back with a list you like, we can then advise you from there ^_^
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Postby Dan0504 » 2005-11-21 14:54

i did my 2nd SW a 10g it's deff doable i would go with that.
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Postby Kev » 2005-11-21 15:10

Just for clarification, a Nano-reef is a Reef tank with a volume of 4g or more. Anything less than that then I would be calling it a Pico Reef. Nano-Reefs go right from the small 4g up to the larger 25-30g

A 10g is possible if you play it safe, don't go ahead and go and stock it like a FW 10g, that is when things will start going wrong.The stocking levels in SW are lower becasue SW holds a lot less oxygen than FW.

If you plan to go ahead with a Nano then I am in the process of writing 2 articles to start with. Part 1 is the equipment side, the basics are just posted in the Nano reef section, Part 2 will be the setting up of a Nano reef, this will go through it all for you.

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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-21 22:32

Lets say I got 2 fish (what are some good fish?) and I also got like a starfish and some other small ones like hremit crabs or well you know what I mean. Anyway would those be considered like the "Fish"? You know like would they count as something to take up room like a fish?
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Postby Kev » 2005-11-21 22:45

The clean up crew is not usually counted towards the bio-load but in such a small tank they may be an issue. I would say you could have:

1-2 Astrea snails
3-4 Nassarius snails
2 Scarlet reef hermits

OR

1-2 Astrea snails
3-4 Nassarius snails
3-4 Cerith snails

as for the fish, it all depends on the size tank you wanted to go for. If you are definatley going for the 5g then I would say either 1 Clown Goby or 2 Neon Gobies. These are some of the smallest fish available and are known to do very well in Nano reefs. If you want to go for a Damsel..... don't bother, they are aggressive and if you did decide to get rid once you got it, you would have to dismantle the whole tank.
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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-22 04:41

For a 10 gallon what would be good too, just so I know.
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Postby Kev » 2005-11-22 09:17

For a 10G I would say 1 or 2 fish, plus clean up crew.

For fish you can choose from:

- 2x Clown Goby
- 2-4x Neon Goby
- 1x Ocellaris Clown

They are the most commonly kept in Nano-reefs, but there are a lot more to choose from, the majority of which are Gobies.

Then for clean up in a 10g you could choose from:

- 2x Astrea snails
- 6x Nassarius snails
- 4-6x Cerith snails
- 2-3x Scarlet Reef Hermits

You could, alternatively, go for an invert only setup. This will scrap the idea of fish and you will just have cleanup crew and either:

-2x Cleaner Shrimp
-2x Fire Shrimp
-4x Sexy Shrimp

I hope this helps a bit.
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Postby CoolBozPup14 » 2005-11-22 23:47

I think I'll stay with a 5 gallon for now just because my mom rather have that. If it gets to be too much work I can always just have hermit crabs or something or just get freshwater.
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Postby saracen » 2005-11-23 08:56

It's not that its too much work, all salt tanks are a lot of work, but that the smaller the area of water, the more unstable it will become, VERY quickly. Nanos crash really easily and really quickly.

In a 5 you could do some great set ups with fw, that would be really easy to maintain. A betta and shrimp with sand and the rocky type decore could look equally as exotic as any saltwater setup, but be infinintely easier and more practical to do, with the added bonus of actually having fish!
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