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Postby Milkshake » 2005-11-20 04:39

<span style='font-family:Courier'><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>I'm getting a new tank for christmas :woot: It will be a 36Gallon-55Gallon. I allready have 6 guppies and one swordtail that are living together in a 10gallon that will be moving to their new home sometime in January. since the tank will be pretty empty with just these fish I was woundering what kinds would get along with them, so far i'm getting some neon tetras, platies, mollies, cockatoo cichlids, and maybe one oscor. :D These have not been purchased yet so i'm still considering any other fih. so anyone have any other idea's? also what colour of gravel would bring out the colours in guppies best? ^_^ Got anyother suggestions? thems? Colours? setups? fish? filter brands? Thers tuns of things I could do with it and i'm ahving trouble deciding. :nnow: :lol2: to happy to think about the basics. </span></span></span>
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Postby saracen » 2005-11-20 09:33

Hi. In the 55g you could keep one Oscar. Theya re very personable fish and are great pets, responding like puppy dogs to their owners. The only trouble is, you would not be able to keep ANY of your other fish in there with him. 55 in the minimum for one of these fish and they are carnivorous, so they will eat anything that will fit in their mouths. They grow to approx 12 inches, so most of the fish you mentioned would be harrassed and eaten. I have seen even small oscars wandering round their tanks with fish as big as half the oscars hanging out of its mouth.

As for the other fish in your tank, the Guppies will be fine, but the Swordtail is a schooling fish, and would enjoy some company of his own kind. If you have a male then 2-3 Females would be good, or if you have a female already, then you should probably get a male and 2 or more females.

Neons are pretty, but depending where you get them from they are not very hardy. The better bet is cardinals, which look almost exactly the same, but are slightly larger. They do not have so many of the health broblems that the neons are subject to at the moment.

If you go for Mollies or platties, be aware that they will interbreed with your swords, and need the same ratios as the swords to stop fights and harrassment.

Neon coloured fish, like the guppies or cardinals, look best against dark coloured backgrounds, so a darker shade of gravel would look good with these.

I will think about the other questions, or someone else can chime in! :lol:
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Postby KittyKat » 2005-11-20 11:38

so far i'm getting some neon tetras, platies, mollies, cockatoo cichlids, and maybe one oscor.


don't go for the oscar unless you are prepared to keep him on his own. 50 imp.gal (70 US gal) is an absolute minimum in tank size. they can get over 1ft, but that is not usual in home tanks... if you can provide the correct nutrition and tank for them, oscars are a VERY rewarding fish to keep... tank needs to be 48+ inches long

Cockatoo (Dwarf) Cichlid (Apistogramma cacatuoides) will get up to 3.5 inches (males) females being slightly smaller. they will eat the guppies (they are carnivores). the tank needs to be 32+ inches long

neon tetras, platies, mollies & swordtails are all school fish, they should be kept in groups:
at least 6 neons
at least 3 platies (2f,1m or 3f)
at least 4 mollies (3f,1m or 4f)
at least 4 swordtails (3f, 1m of 4f)

i recomend that you look at cardinal tetras instead of the neons (also school fish)
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Postby Milkshake » 2005-11-21 03:44

:blink: Sorry for the mix up, I didnt meen the HUGE oscars I ment the dwarf little bluey green guys. I've had those in a 20 gallon before with other fish and he/she hung with the angle and didnt bug anyone. Can't you have both cockatoo cichlids and neons in the same tank together? The ones I've seen are really healthy and very active and brightly coloured. Their fins were all up and they reacted to anything near their tank. Any other sighns I should look for?

I'll probably be getting black gravel and some kind of back ground, does a plant background look best? Or should I get a dark background too?
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Postby saracen » 2005-11-21 08:20

I really have no idea what you could mean about the blue green oscar fish....do you have a photograph, or a scientific name that we could have?

The cockatoo's, as Kat said are carnivors. They will not just eat the guppies, but they will eat ANYTHING that will fit in their mouths. If a fish is a carnivore, they really dont care what they eat, wether it is prepared foods that you want them to eat, fry and eggs from other fish, or just any little fishy body that will fit in their mouths.

Im not a cichlid expert, and I do know that some of the Dwarf species, like rams, can be kept successfully in community tanks, but the general rule of thumb, especially for newbies, is that cichlids should really be kept with other cichlids, and not much else. Please bear in mind that this is a GROSS generalisation and there will be exceptions.

The background is really up to your personal tasts. If you are going to have real plants in your tank, then you can do it much cheaper with som dark coloured craft paper. If you like the coloured backgrounds, then that is up to your personal tastes.
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Postby KittyKat » 2005-11-21 13:19

bluey green oscars... do you mean blueberry oscars? these are normal oscars who have been dyed: chances are that they will die young because of a secondary infection which will result from the dyeing process (either through ingections or being kept in dyed water...) either way: if he doesn't die within a few months, he will lose the colour and become albino (which he was originally). i strongly support the move to ban the sale of dyed fish & hope that everyone else on here does as well ^_^

if you want cichlids, like Saracen said: go for rams ;) they are smaller then the cockatoos and much more pieceful... but they still will eat small fish!

i prefer planted backgrownds... but then again, my tanks are heavily planted, so very little of t can be seen... your choice realy, it all depends on the style you want to go for ;)
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Postby Milkshake » 2005-11-27 18:25

<span style='color:blue'>Ok not sure where or why I was thinking they were called oscars, I ment these little guys Dwarf Gourami or chocolate gourami. There are cichlids that get along with guppies but I'll ask the lfs about what they think. We are getting the new tank today, its a 57 gallon long, we got a great deal for it, filter and heater are free and it comes with any kind of gravel you want. </span>
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Postby KittyKat » 2005-11-27 18:40

CONGRATS on the new tank!

choc gouramis are quite hard to look after i heard... but i haven't had any personal experience with them. the dwarf gouramis are much easier to look after.

could you post the length, width and hight of the tank plz?
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Postby KittyKat » 2005-11-27 20:57

ok, you can only keep dwarf gouramis in pairs (male+female) or on thier own. they ressemble bettas in their temperment towards their own kind or those simmilar to themselves.

just did a look up on chocs: they are hard as the water & the fish have to be in presteen conditions at all times.
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Postby Milkshake » 2005-11-28 04:32

<span style='color:red'>I really need to figure out how to download pictures.</span><span style='font-family:Courier'><span style='color:blue'>Well we didnt end up get that tank, insted we got a 40gallon, the dimentions are 12"deep, 36"long, 21"high. It looks extreamly nice, I can't wait to get my fish out of that tiny 10gallon, it looks so small to the new one. I have one fish with a fungas thats spred through her body, poor girls gotten so thin, I got some meds for her and they have kept the other fish from getting it. I got a new betta today too, he's a veiltail with a blue body with a tiny bit of white, his long front fins are red and they split into pitch forks, and his head is black but he has red eyes, he looks like the devil! :dv: He is so cute though, his big bowl is in the middle of the room so he can see everyone, so when someone walks bye he follows them.

In the new tank I got black and red gravel, drift wood, fake plants,slate, a small white rock that really stands out and some peices of coloured glass. I got an extreamly good filter and heater. The lighting that I got for it is so nice, it lights everything up perfectly.</span></span>
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Postby mrssittingduck » 2005-11-28 23:57

with replies to the gouramis, i have kept several different sorts of these over the years and have found them to be great fish , even for beginners..
I always keep 2 females at least to every 1 male

you can sex them by the shape of their dorsal fin, if it is curved it is female if it is pointed at end it is male....
the males will also be bright in coulour where as female will be duller
or alternatevly if you dont want to have babies in the tank you can keep groups of all male or all female togather :D

if you may in the future want them to breed i would recommend a floating plant for the top of the water, their the male gouramis will make a bubble nest....and chase the female around and at some points may look like it is trying to kill her but infact he isnt,
the male will scoop the eggs up and place them in the bubbles and then protect them and keep the female away from them also ...

just remember that they are labrynth fish , this means they get their oxygen from th eactual air and not the water so they will need air at the top of the tank and not so the water is completely upto the rim :)

they all have their own charachters and are soo lovable i used to keep indian gouramis they are definitely not recomended for the size of tank you keep as they grow BIG

hope this helps you with them ...
btw they are also top feeders

a nice tank i always consists of top, middle and bottom feeders :D
this makes the most of the tanks space and none of them usually clash over the food :D

good luck with your tank

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Postby Milkshake » 2005-12-03 02:08

They only have dwarf gouramis where I am so that will be what I'm getting, how are discus for comunity tanks? What kinds of community fish are okay with the nitrogen cycle? The tanks been runnung for a week and it already has 4 fish in it that LOVE it in there. Everyone is healthy and eating, so I'm getting new fish in another week, would any fish be okay in there after that long? I got a new betta with the new tank, he's a veiltail but i can't really tell because pet stores don't treat them very well. He is starting to look like a moon tail though, he is holding his fins so nicly now that i've started to get him to exercise more. I've been looking after one fish with mouth fungus for awhile and she is getting better, i'm soooo glad she is okay, she came from my 10gallon that had a desaster in it, so many fish got fugus from poop over load, :( it was so scary, i only lost 2, I got lucky. That shouldnt happen in the 40gallon though, if I'm away for a week it shouldnt make so big of a difference. I'm still trying to get the tempature up a bit, the tank is in my basement so its cold down there, if you live in Canada you know Exectly what I meen! brrr, i was playing with my little brothers and sisters out side yesterday and when I came back in after 2 hours, my fingers swelled up, it was really weird. :blink:
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Postby Sam » 2005-12-03 09:41

I'm far from an expert, but I don't think discus do that well with most communtity fish, as they require a higher temperature. Also, for cycling, use something hardy like platies or mollies.
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Postby saracen » 2005-12-03 10:46

In my opinion, no fish "do well" during a nitrogen cycle. Some fish may "survive", but it is not in the best interests of the fish to be present during the cycle.

Discus are extremely delicate, and reqiure very specific water conditions, and as Sam said, a higer temperature.
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Postby Wallrunner51 » 2005-12-04 15:27

Don't Get Killiefish, Jump Out To Much, and they have eaten anything they get in their Mouth (ask the shrimp pellet from other day. LOL
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